Tuesday, December 13, 2011

Not to be rushed into a decision

UPDATE:

Ilya was given the opportunity to respond to this post and he declined. On other sites and in other venues, he has taken full credit for MoveOn's work on fake health care reform. So, as far as I'm concerned, he's taking credit for his local MoveOn's work against our local single payer advocates.

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Recently, Illinois Tenth Congressional District Candidate, Ilya Sheyman made a You Tube statement about the Occupy movement. He said he supports Occupy Wall Street and pretty much took credit for parts of it through his work with MoveOn.

The video was immediately lauded by progressives. Sheyman Gets It! they proclaimed. My first thought was that I'm not so sure. You see, Ilya's credentials, in fact his only significant credentials are through his work with MoveOn. According to his resume, he was the "Mobilization Director" for MoveOn.org from June 2009 through February 2011. I had an experience with MoveOn during that time and I wrote about it at the time.

Fall 2009 Health Care Debate

You may recall that the fall of 2009 was the height of the health care reform debate in Washington. I felt, and still feel, that single payer, Medicare for All, is the best health care solution for the country. It saves on administrative costs and puts all of the money into care while our current system, as slightly revised by the Affordable Health Care Act, supported by President Obama and many Democrats, puts a lot of money into insurance, marketing, advertising and paying for people to spend their time denying health care. A lot of very good people worked for single payer before the major health care debate of Fall 2009, during that time, and still work for the tested and true cost reduction plan now. However, during this critical time, around early November 2009, when public opinion was brought to bear on Congress through town hall meetings and in the media, single payer was silenced.

It was frustrating for single payer advocates like me to see single payer taken off the agenda in Congress and mostly because it wasn't the Republicans or the Tea Parties that took it off the agenda. It was Democrats and their supporting organizations, including OFA, HCAN and MoveOn.

I was incredibly disappointed to find that our very own community organizer organization, Citizen Action/Illinois, was taken over by HCAN, an organization dedicated to preserving private health insurance, but softening the blow through something that they called the "public option". HCAN, and OFA,  the morphed version of the President's own candidate committee, were very aggressive in promoting the public option, not so much as against Republicans in Congress, but against those advocating for single payer. Of course, none of this was such a big surprise. OFA was in fact a group made up of Obama campaign workers. HCAN was created solely to sell the public option as the only arguable solution. What surprised me was when MoveOn joined in on the push for the public option, the push that only pushed single payer off the table and out of the discussion.

The Enforcers at Work

A lot of my writing in the Summer and Fall of 2009 centered on the efforts of groups like HCAN and OFA to silence single payer advocates. The HCANNERS specialized in telling people they were for reform to gain support, and then backing off when it came time to fight and then berating those holding out for real reform. OFA threatened to kick me out for holding a house party event where single payer would be discussed in addition to the public option.

Things spiraled a bit out of control, at least to me, when several people speaking for HCAN and MoveOn joined a single payer advocate Internet group claiming agreement on the issue. The Internet group had been set up by single payer advocates for discussions among single payer advocates. It was not a general health care reform discussion group, but specifically for single payer advocates. At one point in early November 2009, a MoveOn worker, not  a run-of-the-mill volunteer, but someone with a title and in a position of leadership, advertised a MoveOn health care event on the Internet group. The response from the group was basically thanks for the invite; we'll be there with our signs and banners. The reply was if you think you're going to mention single payer at our event, you are uninvited. So, the single payer folks were invited to make their crowd look bigger, but not to advocate for single payer. Objections from both sides went back and forth and the conversation got tense. For a week or so the entire group was blasted with emails from the MoveOn person who basically told the single payer advocates, on their own Internet group, to stand down, and a few of the exchanges were rather harsh. I have the emails if anyone is interested in looking at them.

The Point

This brings us back to the present and Occupy Wall Street/Occupy Chicago and similar movements around the country. I think that one of the most important aspects of the Occupy movement is that the participants and supporters are sick of the empty promises and sick of business as usual in Washington. To me it's the anti-HCAN, or anti-Tea Party for that matter, group of people who do not want their work on issues to be sucked into a candidate campaign or astroturf organization that ultimately abandons the issues to benefit a candidate campaign. They want what they want on the issues and will not support the lesser of evils as those of us who work in campaigns are often told we have to do.

President Obama talked about single payer in his original Senate and then Presidential campaigns. He led people to believe that the topic would at least be discussed. Then, as his star rose, he changed his tune, and a good chunk of the progressive grassroots movement went along with him and enforced for him. Not only was the promise to work for a single payer or a similar system unfulfilled, they actively and loudly worked against any discussion of it. The term was "Off theTable!"  We were left with business as usual and these great "progressive" groups, including MoveOn, became enforcers of the status quo.

So, I guess I have a hard time getting all warm and fuzzy from Ilya Sheyman, Mobilization Director for MoveOn, telling me that he and only he gets the Occupy movement. I'm also having a hard time with PDA, the "Healthcare not Warfare" folks endorsing Sheyman, in fact gushing over his progressive credentials, without asking a question about this episode in his MoveOn past.

Mitigating Factors

In his defense, I have to say that it was not Ilya himself who sat on the single payer group and yelled at the single payer advocates. I don't know where he stood in the pecking order, and I do not know that he ordered the actions, accepted the actions as incontrovertible necessity, merely tolerated them, or if perhaps he did not even know about them. But, the facts are that he was in this organization, touts a central and supervisory role in it, probably had contact with enough information that he'd know at least as much as I did from outside the organization, and failed to take any sort of public stand against it. Had he read my blog at the time, he'd have known all about it. So, I still have a few questions for Ilya.

Questions

When you were at MoveOn, did you supervise or come into contact with council coordinators? Did you know that they were aggressively working against single payer groups? Did you ever ask the powers that be at MoveOn why they abandoned single payer? Did you fight them on that change or express any opinion that they should stand firm and not just stand with politicians? Did you take a public stand on health care reform in the fall of 2009? Did you feel that single payer needed to be taken out of the discussion? Why or why not? And finally, do you get that the Occupy movement is not about giving up on an issue, ordering its advocates to stand down, in order to support a politician?

Conclusion (for now)

Ilya Sheyman is running as the great progressive hero. I'm just wondering where he was and what he did when we needed a progressive hero and couldn't find one at MoveOn. I'm wondering if his supporters rushed into their decision to support him without studying the facts of this matter. I'm also wondering if there is some connection between progressives standing down on health care reform and our current conversation on the importance of child labor laws. We stand down and stand down, and then wonder why this country keeps moving further to the right.

11 comments:

JACK said...

So...
What's your alternative friend? Are you so nieve to think that America's problems will go away if we turn on each other, and continue to sadly let the "tea party zealots" of our world set public policy?
Please stop whining, and let those that choose to seek public office (not an easy personal choice), and attempt to serve America's citizenry serve.
Good luck in your continued "single-issue" diligence and quest. I don't bemoan your efforts, just your choice to attack those friends who, like you, choose to seek and spread the truth!

Peace,
JACK HAINES

JACK said...

So...
What's your alternative friend? Are you so nieve to think that America's problems will go away if we turn on each other, and continue to sadly let the "tea party zealots" of our world set public policy?
Please stop whining, and let those that choose to seek public office (not an easy personal choice), and attempt to serve America's citizenry serve.
Good luck in your continued "single-issue" diligence and quest. I don't bemoan your efforts, just your choice to attack those friends who, like you, choose to seek and spread the truth!

Peace,
JACK HAINES

Ellen Beth Gill said...

Hi Jack and thanks for blogging under a real name. I get tired of conversing with Anonymous.

If you took some time to read this blog, all 6 years of it, you'd realize that I'm neither nieve or naive and no where near one issue. Actually, I sort of think Ilya Sheyman's candidacy is rather naive and somewhat disingenuous. Sure, Sheyman has mastered all the progressive buzzwords. That is what a stint at MoveOn will do for a 25 year old. However, MoveOn was one of the organizations that caved in on health care reform early and often. They chose to help the Obama Administration use it as a campaign tool rather than create meaningful reform. Not only that, MoveOn attacked true progressives working for single payer far more than they attacked Republicans against reform. In my post, I gave Sheyman the benefit of a doubt; maybe he wasn't a central figure in all of that. Now, I've seen that he's actually taking credit for MoveOn's work on heath care reform. So, when you call Sheyman a friend, with friends like that and a $3600 yearly insurance bill with a $5000 deductible, who needs enemies.

I do have an alternative. John Tree. Sheyman is trying to vilify Tree as a conservative. Tree is not a conservative. He's a demand sider who has a lot of good ideas on the economy, jobs, education and the environment. This district loves it's military guys. They got a fake one in Kirk. Tree is a real military guy and went to the Air Force Academy. Tree was raised in a conservative family and lived through the conservative Air Force, so he gets what that is all about, but opted instead to be a strong Democrat because all the poverty and hopelessness he saw in Haiti. He doesn't want to see his own country fall into that sort of misery. I can respect that, but Sheyman wants you to fear Tree because of his background. The thing is that Tree's background is a lot more like the backgrounds of a huge number of people in our district.

So, you can feel all warm and fuzzy with Ilya who has all the right buzzwords in his toolchest, and support from out-of-district progressive groups, but no fight in him when the fight really begins, and far less support within the district, or you can actually try to get something done around here.

Gary said...

Jack, I'm not in the Tenth, so maybe it isn't my place to get involved with this, but frankly this kind of attitude doesn't encourage me to throw any support to your candidate.

What Ellen is asking is a fairly simple question. If Sheyman had no involvement in what she describes, he (or someone from his campaign) could say so. If he was involved but now thinks the situation could've been handled better, he could say so. If he was involved and still thinks that what was done was the best thing that could've been done given the circumstances, he could say so.

Any of these responses would, if nothing else, at least show that your candidate respects Ellen's right (and that of single-payer supporters in general, of which I'm one) to be part of the public dialog and that her/our views matter to him. His non-response sends exactly the opposite message, as does yours. I don't know if you're part of the campaign, but "shut up and get back into line" is, oddly, not an attitude that engenders support.

Ellen Beth Gill said...

I invited Ilya to respond on the blog and he say he would, but apparently has changed his mind. What I have heard from him was last night on the Bold Progressives call. He took credit for MoveOn's actions during the health care reform debate, so I guess he would have to take responsibility for the whole thing unless he specifies otherwise. On the call, I asked my health care question: what about helping someone like me who was not helped by the Affordable Health Care Act. His answer was the standard progressive answer, Medicare for All and public option etc. But, when he had the real chance to stand up for these very things, he didn't do it. His group fought against Medicare for All and they stood down on the public option to support Obama. Actions speak louder than words as they say.

Gregory said...

Anybody voting in the Democratic primary has the right to question and criticize any candidate running. We would like to have the best candidate selected who can unseat the teabagger Dold. I don't think Sheyman would be the best one to do that job. It seems like former Seals supporters have rallied to this guy. We know his track record the last three times. The other candidates leave me wondering if this would not make it another strikeout year.

Brad Schneider is a Mark Kirk supporter for God's sake! What is he doing running as a Dem? If Dold is not strong enough on Israel, then Schneider should be running in the GOP.

I don't know about Tree other than what I see on his website. Which is not much.

So bottom line is that Ellen's questions on Sheyman are legitimate regarding his contribution to the trashing of the single payer with MoveOn in 2009. It seems like another corporate Democrat in the making.

Ellen Beth Gill said...

We're seeing a lot of this attitude in the party with Obama running for reelection. I was just called a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist for quoting Section 1031(b) of the military reauthorization bill that Obama just said he'd be happy to sign. That's the provision folks are worried about because it allows the executive branch to detain folks all on its own with no charges, no attorney and no trial. The bill is vague on who it affects ("any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces"), and does not exclude US citizens on US soil. Some progressive Democrat on Facebook said I must not have read the bill and was just believing the Ron Paul supporters in casting doubts on Obama's decision to sign it. I just quoted the person the exact section of the law word for word and described the legal problem and he still accused me of not having referred to the law itself. If these goofy reactions are all we're going to get to legitimate questions then I don't know how much longer I'm going to be willing to stay in the party. One thing I liked about John Tree was that when I asked a question, he called and we had a long talk and he did not run from the questions. I don't agree with him on absolutely everything, but I am getting the feeling that he's going to be a stand up guy. Sure hope so.

Gregory said...

Based only on superficial elements like looks and background, I would say John Tree has the best chance of unseating Dold in November. The military background does impress those conservative independents who are getting fed up with tea party Repbulicans like Dold. Sheyman would go down to defeat as badly as Lee Goodman did a few years back. I don't hold any hope for his general election viability. And somebody please tell Schneider to file his papers with the Republican primary.

Ellen Beth Gill said...

Brad Schneider was the guy I wanted to like but cannot. Those contributions to Kirk are unforgivable, and apparently he's told people that he believes Kirk is moderate. If that is moderate, then I'm not sure what Schneider feels is right wing and I don't want to find out. It also makes me wonder about his judgment. But, that is not to take away the sheer ridiculousness of Howard Deans letter re Sheyman, calling him "a proven progressive leader"???? That sure spoils the meaning of proven, progressive and leader. The guy's 25 years old, and the only position of progressive leadership he has had was with MoveOn, the very organization that folded early on health care reform and attacked single payer advocates. Sheesh, how are we supposed to take Dean seriously when he exaggerates the truth so badly?

Frank said...

Re: Brad Schneider

I believe you heard a misquote. Mr. Schneider, when questioned on the Kirk thing, said he had supported Rep. Kirk because he had the endorsements of the Sierra Club, the Human Rights Campaign and was a strong supporter if Israel. Schneider said, when I was there, that he had - in the past - perceived Kirk as a moderate but was no longer a party to that delusion. In his defense, Kirk did pay much lip service to the environment and other progressive causes before he changed his public stances for the Senate bid.

Ellen Beth Gill said...

No, Frank. This is not a misquote. It was the original statement made by Schneider regarding his many and longtime Kirk contributions. He has since changed his story because he finds the truth to be inconvenient for the primary. I imagine if he wins the primary the original statement will become quite convenient and the story once again.